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The state of mobile, Surface Go and carriers, and more #AskDanWindows 51

The state of mobile, Surface Go and carriers, and more #AskDanWindows 51

– On this episode of Ask
Dan we’re gonna talk about the state of mobile,
what I think, which is kind of fun, and what
about Surface Go using LTE, what’s the deal with carriers? Are they gonna be involved or not? And can Intel and ARM ever
actually run together? All that an more, stay tuned. (futuristic music) What’s your opinion on the
state of mobile devices today? Alright so that’s a very vague question, one I could spend probably
an hour talking about, in fact I often do with Zach Boden on the Windows Central podcast,
so you can listen to that at,
little plug there, but yeah, that’d be more
appropriate for these long form kind of questions but real short, I mean, phones today are basically plateaued, and that’s okay, right? Everything’s gotten a little
bit boring in my opinion, even the latest One Plus 6, which I use as my daily device, is
nice, but I don’t really feel like it was a huge upgrade over my One Plus 5, and
that’s kind of where we are now with these devices. We’re seeing moderate improvement over year over year, but there’s nothing really groundbreaking anymore. The app ecosystems are stabilized, we’re not getting anymore
really must have apps, we’re all kind of fell into
the rut of using standard Twitter, and Facebook,
and Instagram, and Yelp, and so all that is kind of normal, and that’s fine, I don’t want to be like this is a negative thing, this is what always
happens with technology. I mean, if I went back
in say 100 years ago and showed them my refrigerator, they’d be blown away by it, yet every day we take for granted all
the stuff that’s around us, and that’s like exactly
what’s happening with the smart phone industry right now. Now, I do think that
companies will start to back out of Android
devices over the next year, I think LG, HTC, even
Motorola, they start to have a lot of problems, with trying to meet demand and basically
create their own identity in this market, and instead
we’re gonna see things like Samsung really dominate the high end, One Plus and some Chinese
manufacturers on the low end, and of course, there’ll be Apple as well. Now, what I really think
you’re hinting at here is what I think about Microsoft, what they should be doing, obviously, Andromeda plays a big role in this, at least in theory, but yeah, in order for a company to really
sort of kickstart this, we’re gonna start
thinking outside the box, at what’s coming next. I always bring up this point, which is what will cell phones and
smart phones look like in five to ten years? I think it’s such a weird question to ask because the rate at which technology is moving these days is kind of weird. The idea that these
phones are just gonna be thinner and better displays
in, say, ten years, I think is being really
disingenuous due to the amount of technology innovation that’s
actually happening today. I think there’s gonna be a lot of changes over the next five to
ten to fifteen years, and that’s really going
to dramatically change the stuff, but it’s okay, for right now, we can fall into this rut of smart phones, and we’ll have to wait for
someone else to kind of come along and reinvent it. I don’t think simply making screens bigger or adding five lenses
to your device is gonna necessarily radically change anything, neither will facial recognition
on your device as well. But smart phones become so
important to our daily lives, it should be fun to follow
over the next few years and see what actually happens. Fingers crossed, maybe Microsoft will actually get on board too. How do carriers handle LTE devices like the budget Surface Go? All right so flashing
back a few years ago, carriers were heavily
involved with tablets. That is, they would often
get them exclusively, sell them in stores, and
you had to go in there and sign a contract, a
lot of that has changed, and for the better. So regarding Surface Go,
this will be launching later in 2018 with an LTE version. Obviously if you’re in
United States you can get non-LTE starting on August 2nd, pay attention for that
review for that one. If you want the LTE
version, you have to wait a few months, that will be shipping with a Snap Drag and 816 LTE modem, that’s the same modem found
in the Surface Pro LTE, and that’s a really good modem, too. I’m very excited as to what they’re using. They’re gonna have very good
reception with this device, it’s a global modem, meaning you can throw in any kind of sim into it and it’ll work, and it should be very good, and regarding carriers, what’s neat about this is it doesn’t really matter for carriers. You can buy this device
direct from Microsoft and just throw in any sim into the device and it’ll start to work. In fact, you could take your phone sim, just pop it out, drop it in this device and it’ll use the data, you could swap between them like that. Now, obviously most people
won’t want to do that because you’ll miss your phone calls, I’m just saying that’s an option, that’s how flexible these devices are. That means you can go and just do things like on T Mobile and just
do pay as you go plans, which is really kind
of a nice way to do it. We should also see the
rise of e-sim come online, and this device should support it, though I gotta verify. e-sim will allow you to do
things like re-up a plan through the Microsoft store. Actually it’s through specific app, and just pay as you go that way, without actually even stepping foot in a store of talking to another human, which I really like the sound of. The good news here is if you’re interested in Surface Go with LTE,
wait a few more months, and you’ll be able to get it pretty much on any carrier you want with LTE including Version and Sprint. Can Intel and ARM processors co-exist? It’s a really interesting question, and I don’t have a direct answer to it, I can say theoretically,
I suppose it’s possible. I don’t see, though, Intel and Qualcomm working together any time soon though, to make this happen, but then again, Intel and AMD are
working closely together. In fact, that laptop behind me is running and Intel and AMD system, which is kind of strange after, also, I guess
it could technically happen, but the real question is: will anyone actually make that happen, and what would be the benefit to it? Now what dearwaleed is
really implying here is, will this somehow
make up for the fact that with ARM you run into issues when you run classic apps, x86 apps, that are outside of the Microsoft store,
and could the system flip over to an Intel one and take over and do more heavy
graphics work and all that kind of stuff, which Qualcomm
couldn’t do right now? That’s an interesting proposal, it’s like asking can
Qualcomm run Thunderbolt 3, which is also an Intel technology, it doesn’t seem like it can at this time. And when I talk to Qualcomm about this and external GPUs and
making things more powerful, you know they said they weren’t actually interested in pursuing that market. They’re just in light computing with always connected LTE systems, and that’s kind of what
they’re focusing on, where Intel is really focusing sort of on that mid-range, core i processors, even their Pentium Celeron stuff is not updated nearly as much. So while this is technically,
probably possible, I think it’s better just to wait and see as Qualcomm and ARM improves over the next few years, and hopefully Intel will actually try to come down to the lower end and
compute with Qualcomm, and I think that’s gonna
be the way this goes. I think having two processors on the same board is just gonna
be super complicated. All these technologies
are not exactly the same, you’d have to design a special board, and these companies aren’t willing to work together, so probably, I wouldn’t hope for that, but rumor has it Microsoft is working on their own chip called an E2, that may
be coming out around 2020, we’ll have to see
what actually happens with that, so there may be
a solution here after all. All right, that does
it for it this episode, remember, if you have a question
use hashtag AskDanWindows on Twitter, or drop me and email at [email protected] If you liked this video
give us a thumbs up, and don’t forget to subscribe. Thanks for watching, take care everybody.

43 thoughts on “The state of mobile, Surface Go and carriers, and more #AskDanWindows 51”

  1. eSIM is needed to re-up a pay as you go plan? I used virgin mobile when it first came out, and I could re-up via text. I hope things haven't devolved to needing eSIM. eSIM should never become the default method. It's just another way for carriers to charge you before you can use a device you bought on their network. The activation fees are b.s. They make more than enough money for overcharging on text messaging. Right now I could take the SIM out of my phone, put it into another device, and it will work without an issue. I did this many times when I still had a Windows phone.

  2. Could ARM ever make a processor as powerful as an Intel chip? Why aren't they any high performance ARM processors? Surely if they are more efficient then an upscaled ARM processor with the same TDP as an Intel chip would have great performance?

  3. I think you misunderstood the qs on ARM & Intel. The intented qs is should Microsoft use both Qualcomm SoC & Intel processor on Surface pro so as to provide the advantages of both the chips.

  4. Did you the joke towards the end? Microsoft is working on it's own chip called the E2 and it will probably come out in 2020.

  5. I think it's not the first try from Microsoft to make all his hardware but I think it's a pretty slow path to follow in order to see the profits. Regarding the phones in the future, maybe it won't be a phone but glasses or who knows what.
    Nice one man, video liked as always.

  6. Nonchalantly exits saying Microsoft's workin' on their own chip. Dude that was the most catchy part of the whole video.

  7. I think the question is we'll we see any mobile companies subsidizing the lte version of the device like they do with the iPad?

  8. I have the HP ELITE X3. Is the best smartphone I ever had. It has everything. It's powerful and use a practical version of windows 10. I don't care about the tends market, I will use this device until 2020 and I only change it for something more powerful like a tablet of 8 inch with telephony capabilities. In the worst scenario I would use a windows 10 tablet with skype. But android or ios I will never used it.

  9. Dan… my question for you… How important is it that Andromeda succeeds? What would be considered successful?

    I'm not really seeing an Microsoft Mobile strategy. Phone is dead. ARM tablets are barely in the market and insanely expensive. Surface Go is just a 10" tablet/2-in-1 which already exist and sub-12" Wintel tablets have not done well in that space vs. 8" to 10" iPads or Android tablets. 12"+ Surface-like 2-in-1s and laptops seem to be it for Microsoft.

    So… unless Andromeda succeeds… what's the point of Windows in mobile? Why care about UWA, CShell, etc.? Write for Win32/64 for the desktop and then Android/iOS for mobile. Windows Phone was actually reasonably successful at the start, but then the app-gap killed it. How good does Andromeda need to be for someone to actually care about writing a UWA just for mobile? I don't see a lot of UWA written even for Surface/tablets and there are millions of them out there.

  10. I just can’t wait for cloud-based gaming. Becoming a family man means a gaming console useless. Gaming on the go has to be a must

  11. When you mentioned the fridge 100 years ago line, I straight away thought of the scene from 'Back To The Future 3'. When Doc Brown made the ice cube for his iced tea.

  12. Thanks Dan! I wish these videos were daily! I always hit the like button, in hopes that one day we'll be able to get daily #askdanwindows videos 🙂

  13. Dan, you said that the LTE modem in the Surface Go is the same as the one in the 2017 Surface Pro with LTE. You called it the "816". That's not correct. I haven't looked to see what the LTE modem in the LTE version of the Surface Go is, but the LTE modem in the 2017 Surface Pro with LTE is the x16. I've posted this same comment on this video's Windows Central article:

  14. Have you made a video on Windows 10 Pro for workstations? I know it's mostly hardware stuff that doesn't affect most people, But I have read that all the ads, bloatware and crap isn't there. Would be great to see a video on this or perhaps you have made one? I did search but couldn't find any.

  15. wish Microsoft offer a trade in program for their current or old surface tablet, my surface 3 nearly died every time and cannot be recharged while using the tablet, it has to be turned off to charge the tablet since mid 2017; due to the lack of driver support for battery by Microsoft..

  16. Guys, try to make sure not to leave a 1 pixel gap at the bottom of your videos when overlaying full screen images. It's quite distracting. (check at Andromeda fly-ins)

  17. The recent news about Microsoft say they're launching an ANDROID phone early next year
    What do u think about it?

  18. BUT for AMD it would be solution to build ryzen+arm+LTE because they are not present in mobile sector. it is dominated by Intel. AMD have also a License from ARM to build ARM Architecture. For Qualcomm it is impossible to get x86 License from Intel to build x86 chip.
    Or Qualcomm and AMD merge.

  19. Wouldn't running a Qualcomm chip with Vega graphics, a similar collaboration as the laptop behind you, be a better alternative for WoA devices than running Qualcomm and Intel chips together?

  20. Do you think that the pen in surface go has been improved at this version of surface as well? How is it working on surface go, since it has an inferior operating system? I’m asking because in many videos you can find people talking about a “delay” in its response.

  21. Regarding the coexistence of Intel and ARM, see the 2018 MacBook Pro. Those machines have Apple-designed T2 ARM chips running the Touch Bar and secure enclave, and powerful Intel processors performing regular compute tasks. The ARM chip turns the MacBook into two machines of drastically different power levels, and reduces the constant strain on the higher-performing chip. Apple is clearly exploring what a device running Intel and ARM can do. For now, the ARM processor handles firmware stuff, secure enclave and biometric data to protect user privacy, and the Touch Bar. I don’t care about the Touch Bar, but Touch ID and Apple Pay being handled by a separate SoC poses an obvious improvement to security and efficiency. We want the ARM processor doing as much of the small stuff as possible to keep the x86 (Intel) chip idle to save power or available for high-intensity applications such as video editing.

  22. Mobile devices used to be versatile utility devices like the Samsung S5 or LG V20. Now they're just disposable, very expensive social media devices with features removed.

  23. This is why there rolling out 5G so everyone can go buy a 5G smartphone which is the same shit that's already in there pocket

  24. Motorola isn’t going anywhere on the global stage in regards to Android devices. They are massively popular in the pretty large market of Brazil.

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